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	<description>This is a blog about me, my recently diagnosed rheumatoid arthritis and my struggles to stay positive about it!</description>
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		<title>By: pollyannapenguin</title>
		<link>http://pollyannapenguin.wordpress.com/2010/01/19/the-ramblings-of-a-bewildered-and-broke-penguin/#comment-760</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Wren,

Dunno re the tinglywinglyness - suspect a trapped nerve in the neck caused by some slight swelling (probably from RA), but who knows ... it&#039;s gone, that&#039;s all I care about! 

Ah ... drug companies ...well I hate to be the lone voice in the desert defending them, but I have been meaning to write a post about this for years ... perhaps now&#039;s the time. Watch this space ...   ;o)

Polly]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Wren,</p>
<p>Dunno re the tinglywinglyness &#8211; suspect a trapped nerve in the neck caused by some slight swelling (probably from RA), but who knows &#8230; it&#8217;s gone, that&#8217;s all I care about! </p>
<p>Ah &#8230; drug companies &#8230;well I hate to be the lone voice in the desert defending them, but I have been meaning to write a post about this for years &#8230; perhaps now&#8217;s the time. Watch this space &#8230;   ;o)</p>
<p>Polly</p>
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		<title>By: pollyannapenguin</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Warm Socks,

Yep, definitely something wrong with the system. I could be wrong about this but I THINK you also usually have to go up against a panel (not just your consultant, but a bunch of medics you&#039;ve never met) to prove you need the biologic. A bit like a job interview, only showing why you&#039;re worthy of the biologic rather than job. I think Frankie (http://synovialsyntax.wordpress.com/) posted something about hers a while back.

I have read stuff about fudging the DAS, and also about the fact that we Brits are brought up to have a &#039;stiff upper lip&#039; and not go ouch when prodded, but that you need to do lots of &#039;OUUUUUUUUUCH!&#039; to get a good DAS! Not sure about the veracity of any of this mind, as I haven&#039;t been through it myself or got personal friends who&#039;ve told me about it. 

Sooooooo .... I suppose I&#039;m writing the sort of blog that I hate - all heresay and no firm facts. Oops! Mind you, much of what I&#039;ve heard about DAS and panels and things comes from NRAS - forum and magazine - and I think that&#039;s pretty reliable. ;o)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Warm Socks,</p>
<p>Yep, definitely something wrong with the system. I could be wrong about this but I THINK you also usually have to go up against a panel (not just your consultant, but a bunch of medics you&#8217;ve never met) to prove you need the biologic. A bit like a job interview, only showing why you&#8217;re worthy of the biologic rather than job. I think Frankie (<a href="http://synovialsyntax.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://synovialsyntax.wordpress.com/</a>) posted something about hers a while back.</p>
<p>I have read stuff about fudging the DAS, and also about the fact that we Brits are brought up to have a &#8216;stiff upper lip&#8217; and not go ouch when prodded, but that you need to do lots of &#8216;OUUUUUUUUUCH!&#8217; to get a good DAS! Not sure about the veracity of any of this mind, as I haven&#8217;t been through it myself or got personal friends who&#8217;ve told me about it. </p>
<p>Sooooooo &#8230;. I suppose I&#8217;m writing the sort of blog that I hate &#8211; all heresay and no firm facts. Oops! Mind you, much of what I&#8217;ve heard about DAS and panels and things comes from NRAS &#8211; forum and magazine &#8211; and I think that&#8217;s pretty reliable. ;o)</p>
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		<title>By: pollyannapenguin</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is indeed complicated. There&#039;s a field of study for just about anything though. There&#039;s a field of study for insects, it&#039;s called entomology. I have a PhD in it. That doesn&#039;t mean I can avoid a fire ant bite any better than the next penguin.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is indeed complicated. There&#8217;s a field of study for just about anything though. There&#8217;s a field of study for insects, it&#8217;s called entomology. I have a PhD in it. That doesn&#8217;t mean I can avoid a fire ant bite any better than the next penguin.</p>
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		<title>By: alumpe</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This whole issue of cost vs. patient benefit is a complicated one that I&#039;m sure has different manifestations in national healthcare (as in the UK) and in private systems (as in the US). And who makes the decisions? There&#039;s a whole arena of study called pharmaeconomics that deals with these issues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole issue of cost vs. patient benefit is a complicated one that I&#8217;m sure has different manifestations in national healthcare (as in the UK) and in private systems (as in the US). And who makes the decisions? There&#8217;s a whole arena of study called pharmaeconomics that deals with these issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Wren</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 02:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m glad the tingly business in your hands went away -- what was it caused by, anyway? Do you know?

I think BigPharma should not be allowed to charge such outrageous prices for these drugs. I understand they&#039;re difficult to make, but honestly, $9,000 per yer -- or more -- for a medicine? This is the reason that your govt. and mine don&#039;t want to make these drugs available. I&#039;m not sure how we fix this, but I do think these companies ought to have to explain rather publicly why a drug costs what it does...

Did that make sense? Anyhoo. Hope you&#039;re feeling all right, Polly. Always good to hear from you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad the tingly business in your hands went away &#8212; what was it caused by, anyway? Do you know?</p>
<p>I think BigPharma should not be allowed to charge such outrageous prices for these drugs. I understand they&#8217;re difficult to make, but honestly, $9,000 per yer &#8212; or more &#8212; for a medicine? This is the reason that your govt. and mine don&#8217;t want to make these drugs available. I&#8217;m not sure how we fix this, but I do think these companies ought to have to explain rather publicly why a drug costs what it does&#8230;</p>
<p>Did that make sense? Anyhoo. Hope you&#8217;re feeling all right, Polly. Always good to hear from you!</p>
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		<title>By: WarmSocks</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I ticked the little box :)
(here, different doctors use different methods of measuring disease activity)

So... even though early aggressive treatment is recommended, it&#039;s not actually possible unless you&#039;re independently wealthy?  People must &lt;i&gt;become&lt;/i&gt; disabled, all the while knowing that it was preventable (or at the least could have been delayed)?  Once you&#039;re experiencing incurable pain and unable to hold a job, THEN you can get treatment? There is something seriously wrong with that system! Any chance you can fudge your reporting to inflate your DAS score and get treatment sooner?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I ticked the little box <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
(here, different doctors use different methods of measuring disease activity)</p>
<p>So&#8230; even though early aggressive treatment is recommended, it&#8217;s not actually possible unless you&#8217;re independently wealthy?  People must <i>become</i> disabled, all the while knowing that it was preventable (or at the least could have been delayed)?  Once you&#8217;re experiencing incurable pain and unable to hold a job, THEN you can get treatment? There is something seriously wrong with that system! Any chance you can fudge your reporting to inflate your DAS score and get treatment sooner?</p>
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		<title>By: pollyannapenguin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I sure hope you ticked that little box!

Well, if NICE don&#039;t approve it then there is no qualifying for it; you just can&#039;t have it unless you go private. Going private is, I suppose, the equivalent of not having health insurance - you just fork out the £9,000 per year yourself ... and that&#039;s just the cost of the drugs. You&#039;d also have to pay for all hospital treatment. This wouldn&#039;t be the case if you actually already HAD private health insurance before the RA started, but trust me, even then they find ways to wriggle out of paying it! They&#039;ll only pay for a very short time for anything that counts as a chronic illness. After that time, it&#039;s your problem.

If NICE DO approve it then you still have to qualify. To do that you need to get a high DAS (disease activity score). Do they use those in the US? You also have to score highly (I think, but don&#039;t quote me on this) on some test that decides how badly it&#039;s affecting your life. 

So long as you&#039;re half dead already, you&#039;ll qualify. Great. And let&#039;s face it, if you&#039;re unlucky enough to have rampaging severe RA then you&#039;ll qualify no problem. If you have &#039;creeping&#039; RA that just gradually gets progressively worse, then you&#039;ll just have to sit and wait, bide your time until you can&#039;t keep your job or lead a normal active life, and then wahay, you&#039;ll qualify. OK, so you&#039;re out of a job by then ... but never mind, it&#039;ll all be OK soon. (OK, getting cynical here - and believe me, I know that biologics are not actually the panacea we&#039;d like to think they are for everyone!) 

Better stop before cynical becomes seriously bitter! ;o)

Good night!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sure hope you ticked that little box!</p>
<p>Well, if NICE don&#8217;t approve it then there is no qualifying for it; you just can&#8217;t have it unless you go private. Going private is, I suppose, the equivalent of not having health insurance &#8211; you just fork out the £9,000 per year yourself &#8230; and that&#8217;s just the cost of the drugs. You&#8217;d also have to pay for all hospital treatment. This wouldn&#8217;t be the case if you actually already HAD private health insurance before the RA started, but trust me, even then they find ways to wriggle out of paying it! They&#8217;ll only pay for a very short time for anything that counts as a chronic illness. After that time, it&#8217;s your problem.</p>
<p>If NICE DO approve it then you still have to qualify. To do that you need to get a high DAS (disease activity score). Do they use those in the US? You also have to score highly (I think, but don&#8217;t quote me on this) on some test that decides how badly it&#8217;s affecting your life. </p>
<p>So long as you&#8217;re half dead already, you&#8217;ll qualify. Great. And let&#8217;s face it, if you&#8217;re unlucky enough to have rampaging severe RA then you&#8217;ll qualify no problem. If you have &#8216;creeping&#8217; RA that just gradually gets progressively worse, then you&#8217;ll just have to sit and wait, bide your time until you can&#8217;t keep your job or lead a normal active life, and then wahay, you&#8217;ll qualify. OK, so you&#8217;re out of a job by then &#8230; but never mind, it&#8217;ll all be OK soon. (OK, getting cynical here &#8211; and believe me, I know that biologics are not actually the panacea we&#8217;d like to think they are for everyone!) </p>
<p>Better stop before cynical becomes seriously bitter! ;o)</p>
<p>Good night!</p>
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		<title>By: WarmSocks</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m glad to hear that you&#039;re doing better.

Just curious, what&#039;s it take to qualify for a biologic?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad to hear that you&#8217;re doing better.</p>
<p>Just curious, what&#8217;s it take to qualify for a biologic?</p>
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		<title>By: pollyannapenguin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[True ... a tad cynical, but true ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True &#8230; a tad cynical, but true &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Borr</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, but think of all of those jobs in the Health, DWP  and Social Services departments that rely on people not being fit and healthy!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, but think of all of those jobs in the Health, DWP  and Social Services departments that rely on people not being fit and healthy!</p>
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